Jack: And I think that's a good, a good way to put maybe where, where a lot of the songs fall. Jack: And there's another line that says, I find myself somewhere between hope and doubt. Music: Some nights I can fall for hope, but some I can’t sleep. But it's like, you're struggling to find it sometimes. And so it's just admitting, like, I think some, a friend of mine told me, you know, you're always pretty optimistic, but it feels like you're having a harder time finding the optimism on this album, you know, but it's still there. And I think in the first one, there's a line that says, says some nights I can fall for hope, but some I can't sleep. And, and it really kind of flows from there, like through these other questions. Michael: Really feels like a door opens at the beginning of this album. Music: Why is it so hard to find an open mind? I’m finding it so hard to keep an open mind. Michael: Your whole album opens with a question And so I feel like sometimes with songwriting, you can put an idea out and maybe it's just a question, but maybe it's a question other people have, and it's like, you're able to put it into a line that somebody might be able to find comfort in the song because, oh, good, I'm not the only person to ask that question. And even with those chords, it makes you feel the emotion you kind of were thinking of. And what am I trying to give from songs?Īnd I think that the, the thing, when you hear a great line in a song and it makes you feel like, it's a thought you've had before, but you haven't been able to articulate it. And then I, what am I trying to get out of the songs I was thinking about. I don't feel like I'm trying to teach anything. Jack: Somebody asked me the other day is like, ‘what am I hoping to teach through the songs?’ And I, it made me actually reflect and think. But on his latest album, Meet the Moonlight, which drops on June 24th, you get the sense that, like the rest of us, Jack has found it a lot harder to find answers in the last couple of years. In the past, he's usually tied them up with what felt like rather tidy answers. One of the things he's told me and others is that many of his songs begin as questions in his head. Michael: I’m Michael Roberts and I’ve done several long interviews with Jack for Outside over the years. Calming, sometimes to a fault.įor two decades, his albums have served as the soundtrack to our good times: hanging at the beach, taking a road trip, kicking back with friends after surfing or biking or skiing. Michael: Jack Johnson does an impressive job of summing up what the world thinks about his music: full of hope and happiness. We were doing meet the Moonlight and he started dozing off and he like, he had to catch his head, you know? And so like, I know it works I saw the engineer fall asleep one day we were making this record. And I think it just ends up natural for me to, to somehow make the songs calming and like to, to find versions that I guess people do tell me they put their kids to sleep using my music and things like that. Jack Johnson: I do think that like my natural state or my perspective of writing songs is trying to find hope no matter what. Michael Roberts: From Outside magazine, this is the Outside podcast. Learn more about what awaits you at this very special destination at. This episode is brought to you by Aruba, an island in the Caribbean that offers so much more than a vacation. Want to see Jack Johnson live at the Hollywood Bowl in Los Angeles in October? Go to Outside.io to register for the free Bedrock Badge, a new NFT from Outside that automatically enters you in a drawing for a special concert experience as well as signed copies of Meet the Moonlight and other prizes. In an extended conversation with Outside’s Michael Roberts, Johnson talks about finding himself stuck between hope and doubt, his overlooked competitive nature, and why a beer bottle is a legit musical instrument. But on Meet the Moonlight, which drops on Friday, June 24, he had to work a little harder than usual to find his optimism. For more than two decades, his music has served as the soundtrack to our fun times: hanging at the beach, taking a road trip, kicking back with friends after surfing or biking or skiing. Making folks feel good is, of course, what Johnson does best. On his first album in five years, the singer-songwriter brings us a collection of heartfelt tracks that offer warmth and comfort when we really need it.
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